Can’t Fight the Future

People who believe voter fraud is happening are like people who think the only way they can lose is because everyone else is cheating.  It’s like that jerk who decides you must be hacking your Xbox because there’s no way you could possibly have defeated him.

Oh, and of course, there are the racists who would prefer if certain groups of people they didn’t like didn’t vote at all.  But let’s put those people aside for a moment.  Bigots are easy to see as stupid, but what about those folks, misguided as they may be, who actually think this is a problem.

Democracy is a mixed bag for everyone.  Sometimes you win.  Sometimes you lose.  Rarely are you ever really happy with the results either way.  We all have our voice, our vote, and we hope that it works out in the end.  There’s a lot of disappointment and struggle along the way, but with some luck, progress is made.  If not that, then at least we can rest assured we were heard and can look forward to the next election.

But lots of people are very sore losers, and that creates a problem.  Instead of realizing that you can’t win them all, that sometimes you are not going to be in charge, they begin to suspect the system is broken.  Like a child losing at a game, they suspect there is something wrong with the rules.

This is the specter of voter fraud in a nutshell.  (Well, that AND the bigot thing, but we aren’t going to talk about that because . . . eh, who has the energy anymore?)  Rather than accepting loss with grace, some folks will try to “fix” the system so that it “works”.  What that really means is that they try to rig the game, often without even realizing it.

I get where this comes from.  It’s not easy feeling marginalized.  And there are a bunch of folks who are starting to panic because it feels as if they are losing the power and privilege they’ve taken for granted.  The bad news for them is that they are.  This is nothing new.  It’s a cycle as old as time.  Things change.  The very definition of minority has changed (and continues to change) radically in America over the decades.  This isn’t a trick.  It isn’t unnatural.  It’s just how the world works.

Nobody broke the system to sneak a black President into the White House.  Yes, I know he’s half white, but the establishment created the “one drop” rule, so they can’t retract it now.  Nobody is out to destroy your religion just because other religions (or heaven forbid, no religion) are getting a place in the spotlight.  Nobody is out to destroy your family just because gay people think they should have the same legal rights as any other consenting adult should.

It’s bullshit.  And it’s time we called it bullshit.

Ultimately, the cycle is always the same, and misguided people will do their best to preserve “voter integrity”.  But what they’re trying to do is hold onto a place of privilege and power that they assume is meant for them and no one else.  They see nothing wrong with the system as long as it rewards them.  They’re self-centered and unimaginative, and they live in fear of a world that is different than the world they knew.  And they’ll do whatever they can to preserve the old one, even as it comes tumbling down around them.  They will lose.  They always do.  But they will fight kicking and screaming every step of the way.

So hang in there, folks.  The road to tomorrow might be bumpy, but it’s a one way trip.  And nobody can turn this car around.

Keelah Se’lai

Fighting the good fight, Writing the good write,


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  1. VultureTX
    Posted August 25, 2012 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    you write so well when you are wrong.
    Voter fraud is real, it may not be a significant issue but it is happening.

    The man who own the house next door and rents it out to struggling band from Colorado is born and raised in Mexico. He can’t speak english in a conversational environment (his daughters do it for him), but he proudly has a “I voted” sticker on his phone. Since he has admitted he is not a US citizen and his wife confirms by adding “but our kids are!”, he;s just here to make a life for his family so I know it is voter fraud. Oh the reason he votes is that he is a major contractor here in Austin and he votes for his customers.

    By your standards Motor Voter was wrong as well since we should have just allowed anyone to to show up an vote regardless of ID.

    /love ALL your fiction, question your reality. because just because you don’t observe it does not mean it ain’t happening.

    • A. Lee Martinez
      Posted August 25, 2012 at 5:06 am | Permalink

      Thanks for the comment.

      First of all, I never suggested people should just be allowed to vote without any form of identification. That would be absurd, and would certainly ease voter fraud.

      Secondly, you are using anecdotal evidence to support your cause. Voter fraud certainly does happen. But it is not an epidemic that is affecting our national elections. To suggest so is to propose a crime wave that is somehow rampant and invisible at the same time.

      Statistically, voter fraud is an issue less than one percent of the time. Oh, I suppose people could argue that it is more prevalent than that, but to do so is to simply suggest there is something occurring without any particular evidence to back it up. And without evidence, there’s little point in acting as if something serious is going on. Much like the Red Scare of McCarthyism, advocates of stricter voter laws simply “know” there is something wrong, even if they can’t actually point to any wrongdoing.

      Finally, voter fraud’s fiercest advocates tend to be people who are unhappy with the current administration. Perhaps this comes from an honest place, but it is rhetorical foofurall. It’s suggesting that because an election didn’t turn out the way they liked, it must have been rigged. Such nonsense is worthy of derision.

      I look at voter fraud like I look at Bigfoot. You can tell me it exists. You can tell me it’s out there waiting to be discovered. But until you bring me more than your gut feeling upon it, I see no reason to believe you. Except at least voter fraud is plausible and does actually occasionally happen, so it is one step above bigfoot.

      But is it a serious issue? Or is it just an excuse to deny certain people the right to vote? There’s little reason to debate that question as it currently stands.

  2. Mark
    Posted August 26, 2012 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    I really admire you for writing things like this. I’m sure it would be easier, and less potentially sales-damaging, to just write about your books or pop culture, but it’s nice to get to read something that needed to be said. I also appreciate knowing that there are other people in Texas that aren’t totally conservative.

  3. Robert Holder
    Posted August 27, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Martinez, your writing is fantastic and I am a huge fan. I’ve bought every one of your books, and enjoyed each one. You have great range, but more importantly, what I value most about your stories is the heart they contain. There is some quality you are able to access in characters like Never Dead Ned that to me seems to transcend mere storytelling into something I find spiritually insightful and edifying. I think you have a rare gift, not just as a writer, but something in your soul, and I hope you give us many more wonderful books!

    On the other hand, as a Christian Conservative, (more “zen christian” really, and I don’t go to church, and I’m socially pretty liberal, for example if gays want to learn the travails of married life, it is nobody else’s business, and certainly not the government’s, drug prohibition is a complete failure, we must not destroy the only biosphere we have, etc.) I have to take exception to your characterization of “the privileged” being upset merely because they feel their power is being taken away from them.

    The economic consequences of the current expansion of government, the orwellian ascendancy of “thoughtcrime” in my lifetime (i.e. that one can be guilty not of performing bad acts, but merely of having the wrong ideas), the whole concept of equality of outcomes and the expansion of collectivism are not just problems for rich white guys. It’s going to affect you, and your children, too.

    Do you have children? Because if you do, and something isn’t done about the financial path this country is on, they are going to bear the burden of digging themselves out of the mess, and I know you don’t want that.

    This is not about people’s feelings. This is not about who-is-offended-du-jour, on either side of the aisle. This is about what very well might become the collapse of industrial culture in America, and a profound decrease in the standard of living of all of us.

    Take a look at these numbers:

    Take a *good, long look*. I will cede any social issue you care to name, so long as the economy gets fixed, and fixed *fast*. But if we’re going to do something about it, we’d better do it soon–before the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. When a government’s debts get called in, my understanding is they usually try to print money, to print their way out of the problem. That leads to massive or even hyperinflation. I fear that may be what is on the horizon for us. I’m not an expert, but I have read a little bit about it, and it is truly something to fear.

    Also, bigotry is not something only ignorant rednecks possess. My whole life, I have had tolerance and sensitivity preached at me by people, many of whom do not feel any obligation to practice it themselves when it comes to speaking to, or about, someone with whom they disagree. When I was young, the Baptists where I grew up in the South were the worst offenders. Today, it is the liberals who carry the flag of sanctimony and judgment–in my perception at least.

    Over ten years ago, my wife and I met a homeless black dude on the street playing a drum to make his daily bread. He seemed like a great guy, and we took him in and put him up, rent free, for three months, allowing him to get enough money together to get his own place. True story, brah.

    Some years later, a liberal “friend” (now ex-friend) suggested to me that because I supported what I see as fiscal conservatism and constitutional literalism in the Tea Party, that I am stained with the taint of racism. “What do you expect if you associate with *those types*?”, he said. He is not the only person with whom I have had this experience. I am basically a good person, and yet I cannot recall half of the times I have been slandered and vilified, even by people I know, often with them not even being fully aware that they are doing it, because they have their “approved thoughts list” and “bad thoughts list” and if you deviate from the approved thoughts, you have marked yourself out as an evil person. Not just differently-thinking. Not just wrong. Evil. Unclean. Untouchable. A Villain With Whom One Does Not Converse.

    Well, I suppose, to some people, there will always be groups to whom, “they all look alike to me.”

    This hasn’t cost me a job, or prevented me from living where I wish, or anything like that. What bothers me is the hypocrisy of it. There is just as much open intolerance on the left as there is on the right, but I have yet to meet a liberal who will acknowledge this. I have been drowning in the sanctimony of these people for too many years now.

    But OK, fine, I’m a big boy. Sticks and stones, right? I can take it. Call me a racist. Call me a homophobe. Call me ignorant. Call me whatever, just, *please*, let us fix the damn economy. Before it’s too late.

    • A. Lee Martinez
      Posted August 28, 2012 at 12:06 am | Permalink

      Thanks for the comment.

      While I appreciate you taking the time to comment, I think you are commenting on a lot of things I didn’t even mention. I didn’t mention fiscal conservatism, government growth, or homophobia.

      My only point was that voter fraud is a tool, used by many people for many reasons, to prevent others from voting. Sure, some of this will be due to racism. Much of it will be due to presumed privilege.

      So here’s my question to you. Are you in favor of making voting harder for people? If so, we have a disagreement. Otherwise, while I might agree or disagree with your various points, my post has nothing to do with any of that.

  4. Robert Holder
    Posted September 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Martinez,

    I tried to be civil, friendly and reasonable in my earlier comment, and I don’t see it posted here. If you have just been busy and haven’t checked the comments on your blog post here in order to approve them, that is totally understandable.

    But if it is that you merely disagree with my views, I would have to say that it doesn’t speak very well of your commitment to freedom of speech if you only approve comments which express views you agree with.

    If you are going to throw blanket accusations of something as vile as racism around at millions of people, as you have here, I would think you would want to be sure your own ethical house is in order, and censoring comments of a reasonable, civil tone does not accomplish that.

    I still think you are a wonderful writer, by the way.

    Robert Holder

    • A. Lee Martinez
      Posted September 1, 2012 at 11:55 pm | Permalink


      If your comment was deleted or dropped, I apologize. I have not rejected any comments on this post, so it might be a technical error. You are absolutely right. While I might not post especially offensive comments, I haven’t gotten any for this particular post. In fact, I have only rejected one (non-spam) comment in my entire history on this site. So please accept my apology for any technical error that might occur. I completely concur that to not post comments I don’t agree with would be unfair and dirty pool.

      Once again, I must point out that, while I believe some people have racist motivations for their fear of voter fraud, my post was not meant to paint everyone who believes in voter fraud as racist. Such blanket statements are certainly unfair also.

      For the record, once again, everyone is allowed to disagree with me on this subject, and they are NOT racist for doing so. I know that this point is getting lost a lot, but my point in this post is not about racism, but privilege.

      Privilege is a bit of a race issue, it’s true, but it is also larger than that. There are certainly wealthy minorities who benefit from their status and position. And there are also certainly privileged individuals who are NOT out to deny rights to the underprivileged.

      I hesitated to post the original post for fear of exactly these sort of assumptions. But I felt that these conversations are important to have, and the amount of assumption being made on both sides is worth discussing.

      This is why discussion of privilege is such a minefield in our culture. If you dare suggest that minorities or women are in a less advantageous position in our society, immediately it becomes a discussion of whether we, as individuals, are racist. Such discussions do us little good, resulting in pointless arguments about labels that obscure the issue.

      So, once again, just to be extra clear, though I doubt it will matter to the next commenter, I am not accusing you or anyone of racism. I will say there can be a racist component, and I stand by that. But to deny that is absurd. Not racist, but certainly putting on blinders.

      Thanks again for the comment, and I hope you understand that, regardless of anything else, I would not accuse someone I have never met as being racist simply for disagreeing with me.

  5. Robert Holder
    Posted September 1, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    DARNIT! My apologies for my last comment!!! Apparently my browser cache was not refreshing the page. I would like to retract the snotty tone of my last message. Please forgive me, I should not have drawn the conclusion I did there. I will read the links in your reply, thanks for responding.

    Robert Holder

  6. Janice
    Posted September 1, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    So let me get this straight. People who are concerned about voter fraud are:

    1) Uncomfortable with a black president (racists)
    2) Trying to rig the game (cheaters)
    3) Self-centered and unimaginative (stupid a-holes — two for one!)

    I see. So your goal here is not to actually solve anything or even bring anyone with an opposing view over to your way of seeing things. It’s really just to insult and belittle some people. Nice. For someone who write such fun books you actually come off kind of nasty and petty in real life. Yuck.

    • A. Lee Martinez
      Posted September 2, 2012 at 12:05 am | Permalink


      I’m afraid I’m not really sure how to reply to your comment. I’ll try to navigate this minefield, piece by piece.

      1) There are certainly some people who are uncomfortable with a black president. But not everyone who dislikes Obama is racist, and not every complaint against Obama is racially motivated. I would never suggest such a sweeping generalization. Plus, every president has his detractors. It wouldn’t make sense for Obama to not have his.

      2) Yes, I do believe many people are trying to rig the game. However, I think the misunderstanding here is that I’m not sure they are doing it consciously. Some folks just want to “fix” a system they see as broken. However, given the lack of evidence for voter fraud, the brokenness seems to be that they lost an election. However, while some of this might be racially motivated, a lot of it is just the general bugaboo of democracy that you can’t win them all. Some people don’t take losing all that well.

      3) Self-centered and unimaginative people exist. However, I would never accuse you or any individual I have never met as being one of those people. My post was meant only in the most general terms. If you were personally offended, I can only apologize as I would never want to call anyone names.

      As for my goal, I must admit I never thought I could solve anything with my post. Nor did I suspect that I could convince anyone to change their minds. This is one of those issues where discussion is all but impossible because perceptions are so different. My point was to simply voice my opinion, which I always believe is everyone’s right to do. As a writer, I haven’t the power to change much of anything, and if someone looks to me for leadership, I can only hope they find a more worthy role model elsewhere.

      Finally, I will disagree that my post was nasty and petty, but of course, there’s little point in discussing that, as it is a subjective opinion and there’s no way to refute it. If I offended you, I apologize, but only by daring to share opinions, even ones someone might find offensive, can we hope to increase discourse and understanding.

      Thanks for the comment.

  7. Robert Holder
    Posted September 1, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    OK, I re-read your first blog post here and your reply to me. I am not particularly concerned about voter fraud. I think the standard should be pretty low, perhaps something like two forms of identificaiton, such as a drivers license and a utility bill, in order to verify citizenship and residency? I get the impression you read a news story about something the republicans are trying to do regarding voter fraud that displeased you, and that’s where this blog post originated?

    My message was an attempt to address what I see is a much more serious problem–the left and the right are not actually communicating, in my opinion.

    Many people on the left complain about how “certain groups” (which is the type of language most often used, and means “white conservative christians”) in our society are “privileged”. To me, that is a pretty vague indictment. I’d like it to be a lot more specific.

    But the really damning charge made by the left here is not about “white/male/whatever privilege”, it is the insinuation that the people the left is opposed to don’t care and the reason they don’t care is because they are just irredeemably stupid, bad people. I see this judgmental attitude in so many liberals today.

    But the left claims for itself the privilege of irrefutable moral condemnation. How does one refute the charge of racism, or any of the other sins of the modern liberal canon? These are thoughtcrimes, secret crimes that occur in one’s head, at least as this view is put forwards in our culture today. There is no standard of proof. It seems that there are people who need a modern day Scarlet Letter to put on the people they dislike or disagree with. And so many people feel morally qualified to go around making these thoughtcrime allegations. This clearly occurs on the right as well, and I find it just as counterproductive and unpleasant when conservatives do it.

    In another blogpost, you said:

    “I’m trying not to pick sides, but one side believes our president is a secret Muslim, communist, fascist, dictator who wants to institute shiara law, take away their guns, and destroy democracy. The other side thinks Romney is a bit of a rich dude with all the pros / cons that come with that.”

    Can you not see this quality in your own thinking? The “one side” by which you clearly mean Republicans/Conservatives is full of crazy, paranoid bigotry and delusion, while the “other side” is mildly and reasonably concerned about “a bit of a rich dude” etc. This need to discredit the other side’s intellect, sanity, moral integrity, etc. is what I’m talking about. That’s what I was trying to address. If you had just talked about voter fraud, and perhaps included a link to an editorial or news story that framed your concern, we could argue the merits of our respective positions in concrete issues, about policies, rather than on speculations about the character of others. It is when I see this kind of bias, and attempt to diminish, dehumanize and discredit people’s intellect, moral integrity, and motives that I become uncomfortable and resistant to listening at all.

    One thing I don’t think most people on the left really appreciate is how much effect their moral sanctimony and invective actually has upon those of us on the right. If a liberal wants me to listen to them, first they must refrain from spitting in my face, and impugning my decency, my intelligence, and my character. But that’s not what happens. I very rarely talk politics with anyone except my wife and my one friend Tom anymore, because I am sick of having people figuratively spit in my face, and slander my character because I don’t sing the same tune in the same key they do. And again, liberals do not have a monopoly on this sort of thing, plenty of conservatives do this crap too. But the Westboro Baptist Church doesn’t have it’s own television network, and in my opinion, these days, the scale tips more on the left in this regard. I reckon you see it differently.

    But when I see “my side”, the conservatives, characterized in the language you used, I feel included in that characterization. Suddenly I’m an intolerant, deluded paranoiac who is incapable of seeing simple reason. That does not fill me with the desire to embrace any of your other ideas. So I think that is my point here: having read your books, I feel I have some insight into your mind, and what kind of person you are, and my estimation is that you appear to be a good-hearted, intelligent person. I want to be able to listen to your ideas without feeling I was first slapped in the face.

    But, again, I have almost completely stopped trying to say this sort of thing to liberals, because it is never acknowledged. I say this, and get accused of trying to “control the talking points” or whatever, and my point, that people are disinclined to listen to someone who directly offends and insults their character, never seems to get acknowledged. And I see that moral sanctimony happening in actual discourse much more on the left these past years than I do on the right.

    I didn’t like this from the holier-than-thou baptists in the south when I was growing up, and I don’t like it from the new self-appointed guardians of moral outrage today. If the left thinks we conservative christians are such despicable people in our thoughts and beliefs, perhaps they should just rise up and do away with us all. That seems to be the only solution that will actually satisfy them. But the more my character is impugned, the more I will dig in my heels and resist the Thought Police, regardless of whether or not their other ideas are good.

    To me, until we can have a civil national conversation about things, there will be no communication and no progress. So the establishment of civility is a precondition to discussing any other issues, and I don’t think that will happen in my lifetime, which totally sucks, and I don’t know how to try to help fix that.

    Thank you for your time and attention, and I wish you the best of luck, and hope your headache situation improves right away. 🙂

    Robert Holder

    • A. Lee Martinez
      Posted September 2, 2012 at 12:10 am | Permalink


      We both agree in the virtues of civil discourse.

      I think my point about the right and the left is that they just aren’t treated with equal regard when it comes to their nuts. Certainly, there are nuts on both sides, but only one side gets constant national press coverage.

      For instance, many loonies thought Bush and Cheney rigged 9 11 for political gain. Such loonies were quickly dismissed.

      We still hear about Obama’s birth certificate on the other hand.

      But I don’t think arguments over who is “worse” will accomplish much of anything. So I’m just glad you took the time to comment, and I agree that the world will be a better place when we all take the time to listen.

      But to suggest that both sides are equally hostile is false, in my opinion. Not because I believe the left isn’t capable of being just as nutty (and in fact, who knows what will happen in the future?), but because in the current environment, the right is obviously the one giving more voice to its nuts.

      Just an opinion, and feel free to disagree. Just happy to have the discussion.

  8. Janice
    Posted September 2, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Martinez, thanks for your reply.

    >> As for my goal, I must admit I never thought I could solve anything with my post. Nor did I suspect that I could convince anyone to change their minds.

    I think you sell yourself way short here. Anyone who cares about an issue (as opposed those who simply like verbal sparring) has an opportunity to, as you say, increase discourse and understanding. As a skilled writer with an engaging and plain-English writing style, you especially have that opportunity.

    This particular topic is a good example. While I tend to favor what I believe are legitimate efforts to preserve voting integrity, I’m also open to arguments on the other side about the dangers of placing undue burden on segments of the voting population. This is where people like you have a very good chance of persuading people like me to see things from a new perspective. I have a hard time buying that requiring ID at the polls places an undue burden, but maybe I just haven’t seen the right statistical data yet. On the other hand, while I don’t lie awake at night worrying about rampant voter fraud, I do believe that some minimally robust check needs to be in place to prevent the possibility of ineligible votes being cast. So what do you suggest? Unlike some other issues (abortion comes to mind) that opposing sides are likely never going to agree on, this one probably has a pretty simple logistical solution (assuming people want to solve the problem and not just use it as a political talking point.) I mean, this isn’t rocket science, right? So if one side is primarily concerned about ensuring every eligible person is able to vote and the other side is primarily concerned about making it difficult for invalid votes to be cast, then they should get together and talk about solutions. (How about this one: pass a local law requiring government issued ID when voting, which includes funding and implementing a program–website, 800 number, and maybe an office or two in each district–to help people get their ID card. I’m sure someone can shoot all kinds of holes in this, but at least then people would be talking about the opportunities and challenges associated with the problem.)

    I don’t doubt there are disingenuous people on both sides of the argument–perpetrators of voter fraud (on both sides) as well as those truly wishing to discourage legitimate voters. But that doesn’t stop the sincere people on both sides from trying to find a satisfactory solution. Of course that can’t happen if each side assumes the worst about the intentions of the other side.

    As far as being offended, I actually wasn’t personally offended (thanks for apologizing anyway). I apologize, too, for the name-calling. You’re probably not petty and nasty in real life, so I shouldn’t make assumptions based on one post. My point was more that it appears as if you’re trying to pick a fight with anyone who comes across your post who happens to be concerned with voter fraud. I didn’t see any type of qualification (e.g. “I realize not everyone who claims to care about voter fraud is really just a sore loser who can’t cope with change yada yada yada…”). It looks to me like a broad-brush painting of everyone who disagrees with you on the subject. And even that’s just fine, if that’s your intention–everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Based on some of your follow-up responses, though, it sounds like that wasn’t your intention.

  9. Robert Holder
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Esteemed Mr. Martinez,

    I just wanted to point this news story out:

    I’m just trying to point out that in a country of 300 million people, voter fraud is going to happen, and we do need to try to prevent it, regardless of political affiliation. Perhaps you might consider that at least some of this may not be coming from racism and a fear of losing power, but rather concern by people who understand how these elections function from the inside of that process that there may be more voter fraud happening than is commonly understood.

    I don’t know how prevalent this really is, but if there is one person doing this, there are probably others. The practical effect of the individual cases on election outcomes may not be all that great, but the erosion of public confidence it causes is much more significant, and that is why we have laws and standards to prevent voter fraud.

    Warm Regards,
    Robert Holder

    • A. Lee Martinez
      Posted September 6, 2012 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

      Thanks for the comment.

      Once again, I need to clarify my opinion.

      Do I believe voter fraud happens? Sure, it happens. But in order for it to influence national elections, it would have be epidemic, and I have a very hard time believing it is both epidemic and nearly undetected. Just because I find it hard to believe doesn’t mean it isn’t true, but until given more evidence, there’s little reason to believe otherwise.

      Secondly, while I do believe there is a racist component for many, my post isn’t about obvious bigotry, but privilege. Presumed privilege is not inherently racist and is not the same thing. They are often related, but in this particular case, I’m not saying the voter fraud bogeyman is created from racism, but from a group of people who take for granted their position of power and authority. This doesn’t mean racism though. Merely that when someone is used to getting their way (for whatever reason), they often cannot handle or understand when they don’t get it.

      In other words, I’m less concerned with racist reasons than with presumed privilege. Related concepts, true, but also something to consider in itself. The problem is that whenever we talk about privilege in America, it always becomes a talk about racism. Probably with a very good reason, but it was not my point to talk about it with this post.’

      So, once more, I am attempting to talk about a different, though related, concept than racism and bigotry. That the conversation keeps returning to it illustrates how intimately tied the concepts are, whether we like it or not.

  10. Robert Holder
    Posted September 6, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    P.S. I found Hallum’s use of the word “watermelons” here pretty disturbing. I don’t know for a fact that this has racist overtones, but in the current newthink climate, I have seen charges of thoughtcrime based on much less:

    “Prosecutors said in the charging documents that the four tried to conceal the absentee voter fraud by using rental cars when collecting ballots and using coded language such as “gold tokens,” ”duct work” and “watermelons” when referring to the absentee ballots.”

  11. Robert Holder
    Posted September 7, 2012 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Thank you for your reply.

    Robert Holder

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